the latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
No ....JUST TIRED OF YEARS OF SAME OL BS
There are plenty of old timers here with info and years of educated experience and history....to refute....... Until you have SOLID DOCUMENTED PROOF....this is the same ol regurgitated claims.....
Funny how there's much documententation of high profile Mason member list.... but none for Russell. Maybe you should search past post....
we know that the watchtower claims to be seeking accurate truth regarding biblical propheicies regarding the last days and the willd beast and the "world that is laying in the power of the wicked one".. the watchtower inisists it is the faithful and discreet slave who is providing needed spiritual food at the proper time.
however on close examination, is this really the case ?
or is the watchtower, like all other western corporate organizations in the modern western world, simply distracting, subverting, and hiding the truth from thier christian sheep ?.
I was doubting your statement on certain beliefs of traditional Kabbalah ......
Not sure if you'll find this of interest:
In order to preserve the secret of the Renaissance and post-Renaissance Vatican's fundamental orientation to rabbinic ideology and mystical Kabbalistic gnosis and suzerainty, sometimes the hierarchy appeared to discipline or repress Judaic elements, to placate either the Catholic mob or restless intellectuals and holy persons in its own ranks.
http://www.henrymakow.com/michael-hoffman-vatican-always-a-jewish-front.html
i almost missed this in my last post, but i just realized how important and must list it.
paragraph 14 from jan 15, 2010 wt last article entitled "jehovah's way of ruling vindicated".
"a few anointed members of "the israel of god" still remain, and as jesus' brothers, they continue to act as "ambassadors substituting for christ (2 cor 5:20) they have been appointed as a faithful and discreet slave class to care for and provide spiritual food for annointed ones and a growing crowd of christians, who now include millions having the hope of living on earth forever.
entire family, 20 others die in fatal accidenttragedy struck weekend in akwa ibom state as a man, his wife and all their children, as well as more than 20 others, all members of the jehovahs witness church, perished in a fatal road accident which occurred, friday, along the utu etim ekpo road in etim ekpo local government area of the state.. forty other members of the church sustained varying degrees of injuries following in the crash which occurred on their way to the jehovahs witness annual convention ground in ikot ekpene local government area of the state.. thisdays gathered that more than 70 members of the church had hired a lorry to convey them from ukanafun local government area to ikot ekpene for the annual district convention which began on friday and billed to end today (sunday) but the journey ended half way with many members of the church dying on the road in the accident.. eyewitnesses alleged that the driver of the lorry conveying the church members to the venue of the convention lost control of the vehicle when he got to utu etim ekpo, the junction opposite the local government secretariat, and hit the stone used to construct the roundabout, thus resulting in the lorry somersaulting, leaving many of its passengers and others wounded.. the corpses and those injured in the accident were said to have been taken to neighbouring hospitals and mortuaries.. one of the eyewitnesses, mr. friday john, said the people who died may have been more than what was seen because a whole family including parents and their children were all trapped in the accident.. we were all here discussing when suddenly the lorry appeared and was looking like the driver had lost control of it.
then the lorry drove straight and hit the stone and somersaulted into the gutter.. many people died, more than 18. in fact, we couldnt count the number because there were many corpses, including husband, wife and children and they were all taken to the mortuary in various hospitals near etim ekpo here, john explained.. in another narration, a secondary school teacher in eka uruk eshiet etim ekpo, mr. ndipmo nkanta, said the lorry boarded by the deceased and the injured passengers was not meant for passengers but goods only.. he blamed the accident on poverty , arguing that if there was a better alternative, such casualties wouldnt have been recorded, especially as they were going to worship god.. the public relations officer of the federal road safety corps, frsc, in the state, mr. godsgift uwen, blamed the incident on over-speeding and overloading by the driver of the lorry.. he said the lorry was not supposed to carry any passenger as it was a meant for goods only but the driver stubbornly used it as a passengers vehicle, which led to the sad incident.. he advised against rush and drunken driving, especially in the yuletide, noting that these are some of the major causes of accidents on the roads..
horrible.......sad news.....
we know that the watchtower claims to be seeking accurate truth regarding biblical propheicies regarding the last days and the willd beast and the "world that is laying in the power of the wicked one".. the watchtower inisists it is the faithful and discreet slave who is providing needed spiritual food at the proper time.
however on close examination, is this really the case ?
or is the watchtower, like all other western corporate organizations in the modern western world, simply distracting, subverting, and hiding the truth from thier christian sheep ?.
Your info re Kabbalah is not accurate......
"The obvious result of this belief is that engaging in evil is not considered "bad" but necessary. The ends justifies the means."
http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm
These misunderstandings stem largely from the fact that the teachings of Kabbalah have been so badly distorted by mystics and occultists." Kabbalah was popular among Christian intellectuals during the Renaissance and Enlightenment periods, who reinterpreted its doctrines to fit into their Christian dogma. In more recent times, many have wrenched kabbalistic symbolism out of context for use in tarot card readings and other forms of divination and magic that were never a part of the original Jewish teachings. Today, many well-known celebrities have popularized a new age pop-psychology distortion of kabbalah (I have heard it derisively referred to as "crap-balah"). It borrows the language of kabbalah and the forms of Jewish folk superstitions, but at its heart it has more in common with the writings of Deepak Chopra than with any authentic Jewish source.
Readings in this area should be undertaken with extreme caution. There is entirely too much literature out there under the name "Kabbalah" that has little or nothing to do with the true Jewish teachings on this subject. Any book on the subject of practical Kabbalah should be disregarded immediately; no legitimate source would ever make such teachings available to a faceless mass audience.
The second triangle consists of Kindness, Law and Beauty, and is called the moral triad. As mentioned earlier, the current physical universe is believed to have been created by an act of both Law and Kindness. These two characteristics are viewed as the archetypes of the duality of good versus evil, where Kindness is good and (unrestrained) Law is evil, but many of the mystics who developed this principle further borrowed heavily from the Zoroastrians, and thus their ideas tend to be inconsistent with the other philosophies of Judaism.
http://www.kabbalah.com/about/what-is-kabbalah
Kabbalah is also about getting rid of chaos and experiencing the universe the way the creator meant for you to experience it. In learning Kabbalah, you will understand what chaos really is, the challenges, difficulties, and upsets that throw you off center each day. And you will realize that this was never meant to be a part of your life. What's more, you will discover powerful tools for eliminating chaos and replacing it with harmony, love, and fulfillment.
In your other thread you said..."Atheism also shares a fundamental association with the occult, specifically Kabbalism. They both seek to create heaven on earth through their respective interpretations of the concept. In either scenario, the goal is to attain a god-like level of enlightenment (illumination)"
Where do you get these ideas? Authentic Kabbalah is about attaining properties of the Creator....it is about the study of the Spiritual World. Kabbalah use in western tradition is considered not to be part of the true teachings of the Kabbalah. Kabbalah is much like the Gnostic Gospels, and Gnostic works on Christianity, in that it deals with a mystical or secret teachings of the faith. Also, just like the Gnostic works, it is considered to be a heretical branch of the faith. Its mainly a sect of Judaismso obviously we believe in G-d. It isnt a religion. Kabbalah is a Jewish mystical tradition.... involves a certain way of interpreting the Torah. There are specific Kabbalistic texts, but they won't make much sense to anyone without a decent understanding of Jewish theology. Madonna and others are not studying or know genuine Jewish Kabbalah.....
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I do believe there is a scientic wave of maddess which is affecting mankind and earth.... military attack of chemtrails is rampid in the skys of LA as well as other parts of the world....the industrial revolution also has had major influence on earth (betterment or detrimental)........but again (biblical reference if you believe) wasn't it Cain who killed his own brother.
One theory is mans evolution in modern societies has been to outdo each other.......a natural inclination of primal fear in all mankind not just secret socieites.......
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Theory of a man (Collins) who sat with his bible while the lord gave him insight to the scriptures who in turn came up with a theory....just like Russell...correct....Vid #4
Metaphysical atheism... includes all doctrines that hold to metaphysical monism (the homogeneity of reality). Metaphysical atheism may be either: a) absolute — an explicit denial of God's existence associated with materialistic monism (all materialistic trends, both in ancient and modern times); b) relative — the implicit denial of God in all philosophies that, while they accept the existence of an absolute, conceive of the absolute as not possessing any of the attributes proper to God: transcendence, a personal character or unity. Relative atheism is associated with idealistic monism (pantheism, panentheism, deism)."
Metaphysics is used in occult pratice, however, metaphysicas is a philosophy of science and does not equal magic.
Quantum mechanics is used in occult practice, however, quantum mechanics does not equal magic.
Gold
watchtower's weirdest photograph?.
you wont believe it when you see it.
and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-weirdest-photograph.html.
Hi Marvin...it looks like three men were planted in the photo with facial hair. Two with beards and one with a mustache. One of the bearded men look like Russell.......
i have posted on here a little, and i thought i should probably introduce myself the best i can right now.
i stumbled upon this site and told my sister about it.
then, sometime later she started discussing things with me that's she has seen or read (she's in therapy, as well, which probably has made her kind of rethink things).
